{"id":10245,"date":"2012-03-22T11:20:18","date_gmt":"2012-03-22T11:20:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.badreputation.org.uk\/?p=10245"},"modified":"2012-03-22T11:20:18","modified_gmt":"2012-03-22T11:20:18","slug":"a-hunger-games-guest-roundtable","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/badreputation.org.uk\/2012\/03\/22\/a-hunger-games-guest-roundtable\/","title":{"rendered":"A Hunger Games Guest Roundtable"},"content":{"rendered":"
Less than a day to go to the UK release of the Hunger Games<\/strong><\/a> movie, and frankly it’s difficult for
some of us at BadRep Towers to go more than five minutes without starting a
very excitable conversation about it. After spamming my personal Twitter
feed so heavily even I began to feel slightly awkward, I dragged two
interested parties – writer and Den of Geek<\/a> founder Sarah Dobbs<\/a> and comics writer
(and Starburst journo) PM
Buchan<\/a> – into a corner for an email-chat.<\/p>\n
A few points before we go any further:<\/p>\n
Miranda:<\/strong> I made a blog post the other week elsewhere
on the internets<\/a> about how the movie franchise is being
merched, as far as I can tell, in a way which visually
dovetails with a lot of Twilight merch, and the disappointment
I feel around that. Nonetheless, Suzanne Collins’s
bestselling trilogy is, I think, using the love triangle motif
in an effective, nuanced way. So while the
Twilight<\/strong> comparisons might be short-sighted,
they’re not unreasonable. But what do my friends
think?<\/p>\n
Throughout the first book, it was apparent that
this wasn’t just going to be a vapid
romance, which was fine and the nature of pitting
them against each other sort of insisted that the
romance be downplayed, but across the three books
I was disappointed by the things that didn’t
happen – when the action\/adventure\/1984
stuff took over the romantic hook was still what
kept me reading!<\/p>\n
Sarah:<\/strong> I think comparisons to
Twilight<\/strong> are kind of irrelevant
here, because they’re completely
different stories in completely different
genres.
Twilight<\/strong> is a romance, and
The Hunger Games<\/strong> is…
well, anything but that. It’s an
action\/thriller\/horror with strong
anti-war sentiments, and I think reading
The Hunger Games for the romance is doing
it a massive disservice.<\/p>\n
In particular, getting overly invested
in the love triangle element is missing
the point, because Gale and Peeta
aren’t really individuals,
they’re metaphors.<\/p>\n
Bucky:<\/strong> OK, I’ll give
you that it’s an unfair
comparison, but there’s no
escaping the Love Triangle parallels,
Collins just uses it as a device to
much greater effect, rather than
pinning an entire series of books on
it.<\/p>\n
Sarah:<\/strong> Like I say, I
think the boys are, in part,
metaphors – Gale in
particular, which is why the
idea that
anyone<\/em> would declare
themselves “Team
Gale” utterly baffles
me. Because what does Gale
stand for? Anger. Revenge.
He’s a hunter;
he’s kind of Old
Testament-y. He’s very
black and white, and not very
interested in forgiveness.
He’s initially presented
as having the most in common
with Katniss: they have the
same background, they live in
the same area, they look like
each other, they’re very
close friends and their lives
seem very similar. But even
right at the beginning,
she’s restraining him.
He’s shouting about
rebellion in the woods while
she tries to calm him down and
keep him safe. He just gets
more violent as the books go
on, and it’s his bombs
that kill a bunch of innocent
children. Gale is basically a
terrorist, and his is no way
to build a future.<\/p>\n
Bucky:<\/strong> I do
like what you’re
saying about Gale. I think
all the main characters
are realised brilliantly,
because they’re
people, compromised and
damaged people with their
own agendas, not pin-ups
like they would be in
Twilight<\/strong>. But
I don’t feel like
Collins had such a good
handle on Gale’s
character in the first
book – I think his
anger was hinted at but
I don’t think
she’d made the
leap towards thinking
that he’d become
Anger, Vengeance etc
– early on he
still has the potential
to be a romantic lead
and not a product of his
society. Peeta is pretty
great, in retrospect.
He’s a well
created
character.<\/p>\n
Sarah:<\/strong>
Yeah, Peeta is
great. Peeta is so
great. It’s
not Gale that
Katniss seeks out
when she wants to
feel safe,
it’s Peeta.
It’s easy to
forget how strong he
is, because
he’s so warm
and protective. But
Collins makes sure
– over and
over again,
especially in
Mockingjay<\/strong>
– that he
needs to be
protected, too. I
don’t think
I can quite
forgive Gale for
that line where he
says Katniss will
choose whichever
of them she
can’t
survive without,
because he’s
wrong –
she’ll pick
whoever
can’t
survive without
her<\/em>,
which is clearly
Peeta. Peeta is
preternaturally
calm, loving,
and forgiving
(until the
Capitol breaks
him). I think
it’s super
important for
them to be
together at the
end, because
they’re
the only ones
who understand
one another
– and they
make one another
better.
They’re
different, but
their
differences make
them better
equipped to work
towards a world
that’s
better than
either the world
they grew up in,
or the one that
Gale and
President Coin
want.<\/p>\n
I think maybe
the way Peeta
gets broken in
Mockingjay<\/strong>
is the first
time we
really
appreciate
him for who
he is. I
dunno.
I’m
still
thinking
about
this.<\/p>\n
Miranda:<\/strong>
What
d’you
reckon
about this
piece
over on
Bitch<\/a>,
about
masculinity
in the
trilogy?
I’m
digging
it.<\/p>\n
Sarah:<\/strong>
I
like
it
too.
I’m
not
keen
on
the
view
that
Katniss
isn’t
a
feminist
heroine
because
she
“ends
up
weak”
at
the
end
of
the
trilogy.
YEAH
ALRIGHT
LET’S
SEE
YOU
GO
THROUGH
WHAT
SHE
DOES
AND
SEE
HOW
BLOODY
XENA-LIKE
YOU
ARE
–
I
might
love
Katniss
a
bit
too
much.
Hmm.<\/p>\n
Miranda:<\/strong>
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
they
picked
up
on
the
“does
she
need
to
end
up
alone?
How
do
feminists
find
romance
in
books
now?”
thing.<\/p>\n
Sarah:<\/strong>
Yeah
–
I
mean,
surely
we’re
not
gonna
claim
that
women
can’t
be
in
relationships
with
men
and
still
be
feminist?
I
think
the
happy
ending,
with
all
of
its
caveats,
was
necessary.<\/p>\n The
leading
lady
we've
been
waiting
for?
Katniss
Everdeen
takes
aim<\/p><\/div>\n
Sarah:<\/strong>
Katniss’s
attitude
to
sex
is
worth
thinking
about,
too.
She’s
almost
completely
sexless
(unless
we
read
between
the
lines
a
bit
with
all
the
many
nights
she
spends
sleeping
in
Peeta’s
arms?)
and
just
not
really
that
interested
in
romance…
but
she
explains
that
quite
early
on,
I
think,
because
it’s
not
a
safe
enough
world
that
she’s
ever
really
thinking
beyond
her
next
meal.
I
bloody
love
her,
in
exactly
the
same
way
I
love
Buffy
and
Starbuck<\/a>
and
all
those
other
tough-because-they-have-to-be
women
out
there
in
sci-fi\/fantasy.<\/p>\n
Bucky:<\/strong>
I
think
it’s
pretty
awesome.
I
know
I
wanted<\/em>
romance,
but
it’s
still
cool
that
she
just
doesn’t
have
time
in
her
life
to
care
about
“petty”
stuff
like
that.<\/p>\n
Miranda:
<\/strong>This
whole
area
fascinates
me.
I
think
Katniss’s
story
engages
with
the
issue
of
‘sexless
action
heroines’
really
well.
A
lot
of
my
early
engagement
with
feminism
came
from
a
place
where,
sick
of
all
the
sexualising\/objectifying\/insert
buzzword
here,
you
know
what
I’m
talking
about
–
I
constructed
a
sort
of
mental
checklist
for
movies.
It
involved
asking
questions
like
“is
the
heroine
SENSIBLY
DRESSED?!”
and
“is
she
defined
by
her
romantic
attachments
(usually
to
men)?”
It
was
like
Bechdel
Plus.<\/p>\n
I
think
these
remain
pertinent
questions
to
ask,
and
I
still
ask
them.
But
I
also
think
I
spent
years
mistrusting
any<\/em>
heroine
who
dared
to
fall
in
love
or
wear
a
V-neck,
just
in
case
she
was
being
somehow
undermined
from
somewhere.
It’s
only
recently
I’ve
begun
to
engage
with
heroines
like
Emma
Frost,
and
also
to
confront
the
fact
that
‘sexless
heroines’
can
also
feel
quite
limited
in
their
own
way,
depending
on
how
they’re
written.
Often
I
think
we
cite
a
heroine’s
lack
of
sexual
desires
as
evidence
for
her
liberated
awesomeness,
but
this
can
feel
for
me
like
a
bit
of
a
red
herring,
and
one
that’s
still
being
driven,
in
a
sense,
by
the
same
set
of
patriarchal
restrictions.
The
question
about
how
to
write
“feminist
romance”
is
therefore
an
interesting
one.<\/p>\n
Katniss
directly
faces
off
with
these
questions.
The
novels
show
her
wrestling
a
load
of
societal
pressure
to
live
out
a
romantic
narrative
and
define
herself
against
one
–
her
survival
may
depend
on
it.
Uunderneath
all
that,
she
does
struggle
with
genuine
desires
for
Peeta
and
Gale,
played
out
against
a
hugely
traumatic
backdrop.<\/p>\n
I
thought
it
was
fascinating
–
she
does
find
love,
but
it’s
a
struggle
to
get
there
in
fair,
real
terms.
I
think
Katniss
–
though
Jennifer
Lawrence
describes
her
as
a
Joan
of
Arc
figure
in
your
interview
–
goes
a
lot
further
than
many
heroines
in
TVTropes’s
Jeanne
D’Archetype
section<\/a>
because
we
get
to
see
that
struggle
played
out,
with
all
the
paranoia
over
who’s
controlling
the
narrative
that
that
entails.
She
moves
through<\/em>
a
sexless
phase,
in
the
process
taking
on
an
entire
system
of
oppression
in
order
to
discover
how
she
really
wants
to
express
her
desires,
and
how
to
be
able
to
do
that
safely
rather
than
it
being
a
capitulation
of
any
kind.
These
are
books
about
struggle,
<\/em>personal
and<\/em>
political.<\/p>\n Illustration
from
the
initial
range
of
UK
print
covers
for
the
books
-
by
Jason
Chan<\/p><\/div>\n
Bucky:
<\/strong>I
almost
like
the
books
more
now
that
you’ve
both
pointed
out
the
media
and
propaganda
themes
that
I
took
for
granted
–
they
are,
in
hindsight,
pretty
strong
ideas
to
sell
to
a
teenage
audience.
I
like
to
think
that
I’m
quite
media-savvy,
but
I
guess
that
if
I
encountered
this
at
a
time
in
my
life
when
I
wasn’t
then
it
might
have
raised
some
interesting
questions.<\/p>\n
Sarah:<\/strong>
I
do
super-love
that
tension
Miranda
pointed
out
in
her
blog
post,
re:
merchandising
this
franchise
when
it’s
all
about
the
evils
of
capitalism
and
in
particular
the
way
we
exploit
people
in
other
countries.
I
think
they
should’ve
gone
with
more
Mockingjay
“symbol
of
the
rebellion”
stuff,
but
in
a
way
Capitol-themed
makeup
ranges<\/a>
are
perfectly
apposite.<\/p>\n
Bucky:
<\/strong>Yeah,
the
merchandising
is
insane,
especially
because
propaganda
is
insanely
merchandisable
(by
its
very
definition)
so
to
ignore
that
angle
and
create
“straight”
merchandise
like
a
Katniss
barbie
instead
of
“in-character”
merchandise
is
just
batshit.<\/p>\n
Bucky:<\/strong>
The
more
I
talk
to
you
guys,
the
more
I
feel
like
it’s
cool
I
enjoyed
these
books
and
all,
but
I’m
not
the
person
whose
life
this
might
make
a
difference
to.
I
don’t
need
any
more
role
models,
but
younger
readers
might
benefit
from
Katniss
and
will
almost
certainly
benefit
from
the
way
that
she
isn’t
sexualised
or
defined
by
her
relationships.
So
that’s
pretty
cool.<\/p>\n
Sarah:<\/strong>
I’ve
just
got
back
from
a
press
screening
of
the
film.
I
think
Gary
Ross
really
really
gets
the
political
aspects
of
the
book,
and
he’s
really
explicit
about
it,
and
there
were
at
least
two
new
bits
he’d
put
in
that
made
my
jaw
drop.
My
review’s
over
here<\/a>.<\/p>\n
Miranda:<\/strong>
ONE
DAY
TO
GO!<\/p>\n
\n
On Those Triangular Twilight Comparisons<\/h3>\n
Bucky:<\/strong> OK, so here’s my big confession:
I sort of love
Twilight<\/strong>. It’s the reading equivalent
of eating popcorn, plus I’m a sucker for
romance, which should be apparent in the fact that
even the most depressing things I write are
always thinly-veiled love stories<\/a>. My beef with
Twilight<\/strong> was the general
mormon-propaganda shittiness. I could totally have
gone for a general horror-lite romance WITHOUT the
abominable gender politics and chastity
stuff.<\/p>\n
On the Boys<\/h3>\n
“Like
Joan
of
Arc”<\/h3>\n
Revolution!<\/h3>\n
In
Conclusion…<\/h3>\n