Comments on: My Town: the Strange Sexuality of Disney’s Underworld /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/ A feminist pop culture adventure Wed, 15 Jan 2014 03:28:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.6 By: Disneyfication | Lynley Stace /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-151911 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 03:28:18 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-151911 […] My Town: the Strange Sexuality of Disney’s Underworld from Bad Reputation […]

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By: Galatea /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2870 Fri, 06 Jul 2012 17:39:15 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2870 In reply to Jen.

@Jen: Hi! Galatea of Lashings here — thanks so much for the link, glad you enjoyed the post :)

@Hodge: Seriously excellent post! There are a lot of films here that I hadn’t even considered — this definitely seems to be pointing to a mile-wide streak of queerphobia running right through Disney kids’ films.

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By: Hodge /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2777 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 19:28:46 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2777 In reply to Jen.

that’s a really good post, thank you for sharing!

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By: Hodge /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2776 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 19:21:22 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2776 In reply to Hex.

Interesting! Need to brush up on my kung-fu flicks, obv.

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By: Hodge /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2775 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 19:20:21 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2775 In reply to Kay&theMerry.

That’s interesting – the foreign thing in particular, as there’s an interesting history of Disney’s voice artists: in Dumbo the horribly racist crows (one of whom is actually CALLED Jim Crow) are voiced by white actors doing their best ‘black person’ impression. By the time you get to The Jungle Book, they wanted Louis Armstrong to be King Louis (which is why he’s called King Louis), but Armstrong wouldn’t do it (presumably because he had understandable issues about voicing a monkey singing about how he wants to be ‘like you’). So they got a less famous jazz singer to voice him. Then in the Lion King it’s Whoopi Goldberg voicing one of the hyenas – who are so obviously New York ghetto hoodlums (I think one of the others is Hispanic – it’s a sort of ‘generically foreign’ underworld). Something very disturbing there about how the ideologies become ingrained in what Disney are doing to an extent that they’re almost robbed of any power to shock and they actually manage to get people like Goldberg implicitly on side where they couldn’t get Armstrong (and I assume they wouldn’t even have ALLOWED any non-white actor to voice the crows at that point, even had they wanted to).

Dunno, it’s not something I really want to comment on too much because I don’t think it’s really my place to do so, but there’s definitely something rather disturbing going on there.

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By: Russell /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2774 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 19:05:00 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2774 Everyone, WAIT! There is no way we can consider this issue properly without also considering the Kingdom Hearts video game series, which is…

Oh, yeah, that main villain whose primary villainous act is to attempt to “steal the heart” of all the Disney princesses and possess the body of a young boy really doesn’t make things any better, does he? Because Japan I suppose…

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By: Hex /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2768 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:57:49 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2768 Good piece. Just a quick note –

It is therefore in keeping that her methodology basically amounts to ‘hair down = female; hair up = male’ – and no-one ever notices it’s all the same person, just with a different hairstyle

– this is actually a common trope in classic Chinese kung-fu flicks, rather than a Disney invention.

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By: Kay&theMerry /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2756 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 12:11:21 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2756 Well, I have always found the Disney villains more interesting than the heroes, so… ;) But honestly, the more I read academical (read: intelligent) articles and analyses on Disney cartoons, the harder I find it to genuinely like them.

‘English with an Accent: Language, Ideology and Discrimination in the United States’ by Rosina Lippi-Green has a whole chapter on how Disney’s feature films teach children to discriminate based on accents that deviate from the norm. It’s well worth a read if you are interested in sociolinguistics. (Unsurprisingly, most villains sound either a) foreign, or b) uneducated, whereas all heroes have a perfect standard accent, mostly of the US variety, and the use of AAVE in characters is horribly stereotypical.)

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By: Jen /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2754 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:47:52 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2754 Agree with all of this, and for anyone who wants further reading, I love this Lashings post (mostly for all the Scar, who’s my fave Disney villain! http://lashingsofgb.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/five-things-i-wish-i-hadnt-learned-from.html) Actually, Hades my be my favourite. I can’t choose!

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By: Miranda /2012/07/04/my-town-the-strange-sexuality-of-disneys-underworld/#comment-2753 Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:27:50 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=10875#comment-2753 I love Ursula and her sumptuous lasciviousness (Marina Warner calls it her “black velvet madam” look!) but I definitely agree we’re meant to see it as terrible in relation to Ariel. I can’t believe Disney have slimmed her down for their villains fashion design range – as though her shape isn’t a deliberate part of her design (and, I think, intended as an indicator of her excessive villainy- I try to ignore this when I watch the film)?!

Still love her though. She has the BEST song.

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