Comments on: At The Movies: The Skin I Live In, or Markgraf’s Continued Facial Incontinence /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/ A feminist pop culture adventure Fri, 31 May 2013 15:22:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.6 By: KAA /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/#comment-1816 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:57:28 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=7153#comment-1816 Thank you for your review. I’ve been trawling the net for opinions on this film as I really want to see it but suspect it will be massively and quite specifically triggering for me so am doing my homework first. Yours has been one of the most thoughtful and honest I’ve read and one of the few that has allowed me the kind of insight I need to prepare myself mentally.

I just wanted to tell the cynical feminist and trans person in you (and indeed any others reading this who might have their own personal anxieties seeing someone walk out over this film) that if I do walk out of the cinema (and I hope I am able to face my demons long enough not to), it won’t be in disgust about sex reassignment surgery, but because of not being able to cope with what look to be some very personally triggering themes, graphic or not. I’m just one person, but I wanted to say something to tip the balance the other way as I figure there’s enough fucked up hatred in this world without us all being conditioned by experience to fear or assume it to be where it is not.

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By: Mary Tracy /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/#comment-1815 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:14:38 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=7153#comment-1815 YAY for the behind-the-scenes Markgraf in action!

(I got nothing to say about the movie. I have never seen an Almodovar movie in my life and I wouldn’t if they paid me)

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By: Ladygray /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/#comment-1814 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 16:06:39 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=7153#comment-1814 I was unutterably disappointed in this film. All the unnecessary tit shots and vulnerable woman stuff made me think I was watching a straight man’s wank fest. It forced me to watch his entire back-catalogue to see if I’d been duped all my formative years by Almodovar.
And I found out I haven’t, entirely. I just wanted him to be perfect ALWAYS. What a silly girl I am. Must stop being distracted by his shiny baubles.

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By: Pet Jeffery /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/#comment-1813 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:57:13 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=7153#comment-1813 In reply to Stephen B.

There are all sorts of issues, here, but the fear of being physically attacked for not conforming to masculine expectations is both real and rational.

The thing that sticks most in mind about this book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Son-Man-Sf-Collectors-ebook/dp/B005K8GZOM/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1314878010&sr=1-1 is that, at one point, the protagonist has his sex changed by the Skimmers (who have no idea that he might find this distressing). I think that Mr Silverberg depicted feelings on this with nerve-jangling accuracy. It’s a book that remains with me decades after reading it.

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By: kirsty /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/#comment-1812 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:49:31 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=7153#comment-1812 Been reassessing this constantly since i left the cinema – wasn’t sure what i thought during or after the film, still not sure, which is a reaction i don’t think i’ve ever had to a film before!

I definitely don’t think it’s his most accessible introductory film – that would be All About My Mother or Talk to Her, for me, and on balance i think I prefer him when he has fewer bells, whistles and stuff being eye-searingly colourful and studded with loud bangs. The quieter moments were definitely the best for me. But that’s just me, of course (like the ‘kirsty’ at the top of this comment doesn’t already tell you that!)

But i did think there was some really interesting stuff going on, especially in comparison with something like Marnie or Vertigo (famously Almadovar’s favourite film) – Banderas really reminded me of Marnie’s hot-but-very-rapey-and-control-freaky Sean Connery, and it’s an interesting take on the woman-creation of the second half of Vertigo. To have the Kim Novak / Tippi Hendren character ‘start out’ as a cis man is a great reinterpretation of that whole genre…

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By: Stephen B /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/#comment-1811 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:25:27 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=7153#comment-1811 Without having a stake in the issue, I’d imagine that enforced gender-reassignment is something that WOULD be incredibly traumatic for a cis- person who has never thought that this aspect of them would change. It’s a very fundamental and core part of themselves, inside every private boundary, and ‘invasive’ wouldn’t begin to cover it.

It also gets really interesting when you look at how cis-males who may have been raised with strict expectations of masculinity then panic about being *seen* as female, with years of baggage where appearing more feminine than others could get you physically attacked.

All in all, that movie sounds goddamn triggery for just about everyone :)

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By: Pet Jeffery /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/#comment-1810 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 09:20:04 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=7153#comment-1810 The theme of non-consensual gender reassignment isn’t new. I found it in a book I read as a teenager called “Dead Men Do Tell Tales” by Byron de Prorok:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dead-Tales-Adventure-Exploration-Africa/dp/B0007DSS6I/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1314868463&sr=1-4

It might, perhaps, be regarded as a radical extension of the theme of enforced cross dressing, which is a very common one in transvestite pornography.

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By: Pet Jeffery /2011/09/01/at-the-movies-the-skin-i-live-in-or-markgrafs-continued-facial-incontinence/#comment-1809 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 09:07:15 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=7153#comment-1809 Without having seen the film, my guess is that people walked out of the preview screening because it raised disquieting personal issues for them.

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