Comments on: Yes, Maybe, No: Three Comics /2011/05/31/yes-maybe-no-three-comics/ A feminist pop culture adventure Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:29:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.6 By: Googam son of Goom /2011/05/31/yes-maybe-no-three-comics/#comment-1386 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:29:13 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=5769#comment-1386 Nullifying an entire gender from an active role in the world could certainly be seen as misogynistic. Whatever the case he clearly chose not to have women as active characters in his world. Given that he was terrified of sexuality and procreation I suppose it doesn’t matter what the label is that you attach to that. We all fear the other and for Lovecraft that was other races, cultures and sexuality.

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By: Pet Jeffery /2011/05/31/yes-maybe-no-three-comics/#comment-1385 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 23:06:35 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=5769#comment-1385 In reply to Pet Jeffery.

Checking, I find that Sonia actually wrote:

“As a married man, he was an adequately excellent lover, but refused to show his feelings in the presence of others.”
— “The Arkham Collector” #4 p116; reprinted in “Lovecraft Remembered” p275.

That’s a bit better than my mis-remembered version, but still strikes me as rather faint praise.

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By: Pet Jeffery /2011/05/31/yes-maybe-no-three-comics/#comment-1384 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 22:49:48 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=5769#comment-1384 In reply to Russell.

The evidence (I think) is that Lovecraft had a minimal sex-drive. I have wondered sometimes whether he was a deeply repressed gay man. (It is, for example, interesting that he appointed a young gay man [Robert Barlow] as his literary executor… I doubt whether Lovecraft was consciously aware that Barlow was gay, but…) Lovecraft was married for a while. Sonia, his wife, said that he was (I quote from memory) “a moderately adequate lover” — which struck me as damning with faint praise.

The absence of women in Lovecraft’s writings may be because he felt that he didn’t understand women very well. For the opposite reason, there are not many men in my fiction (although more than the women in Lovecraft’s).

The male gender role in Lovecraft’s fiction is, in itself, peculiar.

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By: Russell /2011/05/31/yes-maybe-no-three-comics/#comment-1383 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:10:18 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=5769#comment-1383 In reply to Pet Jeffery.

I heard that Lovecraft was essentially asexual; given the social conditions of the time he lived in, this may have led him to believe (ignorantly) that women simply weren’t worth writing about, since he himself had no interest in them. On the other hand, as you said, he did encourage female writers.

The problem with Lovecraft is, and this is by no means a defence of him, that he very often descends into self-parody, sometimes for commercial reasons or even simply for his own amusement. It’s often very difficult to determine where he is actually expressing a view, and where he is actually parodying his own earlier work and holding it up to ridicule. Of course, being offensive ironically is probably worse than being offensive ignorantly, but he is a very difficult writer to analyse, in my opinion.

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By: Pet Jeffery /2011/05/31/yes-maybe-no-three-comics/#comment-1382 Tue, 31 May 2011 18:37:36 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=5769#comment-1382 While H P Lovecraft most certainly held racist views, I don’t believe that he was a misogynist. As far as his fiction goes, I can’t express the place of women better than Morgana LaVine (in Crypt of Cthulhu 8… by coincidence, I re-read this article recently and the magazine is conveniently to hand):

“As for Lovecraft and the female gender role — it does not exist in HPL. Female characters are described in less detail and have a smaller role to play than the furniture. Their major role is to give birth to later characters. Asenath Waite of “The Thing on the Doorstep” turn out to be no exception, since this character is actually Ephraim Waite, possessing the body of his daughter.”

The absence of female characters seems to preclude misogyny (as such) in Lovecraft’s fiction. I’ve read many of Lovecraft’s letters, and a proportion of his essays, and can’t recall his expressing any overtly sexist view, let alone misogyny. His letters to women betray no sign of his holding them in lower regard than his male correspondents. Nor do the reminiscences of his female friends and acquaintances raise any complaint against him in this regard. And he certainly encouraged a significant number of women in their literary endeavours. Regarding Lovecraft as a misogynist seems to me even more absurd than viewing him as a feminist.

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By: Russell /2011/05/31/yes-maybe-no-three-comics/#comment-1381 Tue, 31 May 2011 15:49:40 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=5769#comment-1381 I’ve been meaning to pick up Scarlet for a while.

I don’t think Alan Moore has done anything worthwhile for a number of years. He seems to do nothing these days but sit and moan about mainstream comics, the success of films (often of his own creator owned comics), and ask to have his name taken off things. Neonomicon only serves to prove that. I read an issue myself. I didn’t go back for more.

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By: Hazel /2011/05/31/yes-maybe-no-three-comics/#comment-1380 Tue, 31 May 2011 11:56:39 +0000 http://www.badreputation.org.uk/?p=5769#comment-1380 I like the tags for this. Scarlet sounds great.

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